I’ve added this to my rants, for a rant it is.
I stumbled upon the above, and thought to leave the following comment.
Homosexuality is not unnatural; in fact, hundreds of species (or more) practice homosexuality.
• Anyone knows that the seed of a man was not designed to die in human excrement, but to prosper and bring forth life. Nor was any part of a man ever designed to enter the part of another which excretes waste, that a person is not diseased.
Additionally I have seen a dumb dog, its body ruling its head rather than its will commanding its body... try to have sex with my leg, a fallen branch or even a human being. Are you then suggesting that it is quite natural for a dog to pair with a tree, leg or a person to commit bestiality?
However what I have never ever seen is a horse, dog or any beast willingly allow another to penetrate it anally, let alone enjoy the outrage as you seem to b e suggesting. No, though a dumb beast may mount another, it would not be willingly endure the misuse of its body.
Just because a creature may for a time prefer the company of another of its gender, does not equate to it being or practicing the sexual acts associated with what we call today - homosexuality.
Many far eastern sacred writings do not oppose homosexuality.
• Would that be the same religion that honours the cow, whose followers drink its urine, worship eight armed gods and carved images as though they were gods?
4 - Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands.
5 - They have mouths but do not speak, eyes but do not see.
6 - They have ears but do not hear, noses but do not smell.
7 - They have hands but do not feel, feet but do not walk; they produce no sound from their throats.
8 - Their makers will be like them, and anyone who trusts in them.
In fact there are very few religious text which even mention homosexuality!
• Nor bestiality, but does that make bestiality acceptable in your book?
The Qur’an only makes 1 direct mention of homosexuality.
• A quick Google search reveals... Qur’an (7:80-84) - Qur’an (26:165-166) - Qur’an (4:16) - Abu Dawud (4448) - Bukhari (72:774) - al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - Not that I accept that book holds any authority.
There are no religious texts which forbid same-sex marriage, None. (Not even the Bible!)
• Since same-sexual acts are clearly forbidden in the Bible, it goes without saying that same-sex marriage is also refused, why even the shop-keeper knows to ban the the shoplifter.
The Bible does declare death for adultery, premarital sex, blasphemy towards God, and children who don't obey their parents... in addition to gay premarital sex. However, it does not condemn or mention death for same-sex couples who are married.
• A common mistake made by those who do not know Scripture, but an understandable one... especially if one is attempting to justify the unjustifiable.
The early Church had to deal with those Jews, whom holding to circumcision tried bind the gentile believers in Christ to the same commands that were given to THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL under the now defunct Old Covenant, for which Peter was forced to correct their same error...
“Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we [Peter obviously was a Jew] have been able to bear?”
For the Old Covenant does not apply to those under the New...
6 - Now he has obtained so much more excellent a ministry as he is mediator of a better covenant, enacted on better promises.
7 - For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one.
13 - When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing.
A first covenant I might add that was given to THE JEWS, which included commands which separated [sanctified] them from the values, deeds and perversities of those child sacrificing and devil worshipping nations that then surrounded them.
Yet the Jews having failed to fulfill the law, (for who but Christ ever did ?) God sent His Son that He might being a Man, fulfill the law for those who believe in Him... stating quite clearly...
“Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.”
Who by so doing has become our righteousness apart from the Law which we can not keep because of our fallen state, which we receive by faith and are credited with Christ’s righteousness as was faithful Abraham who likewise trusted in the promises.... by faith.
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Remember she who was caught in the very act of adultery... whom Jesus did not condemn, why? Because the fulfilment of the law had finally come, and we as she now live in an age of grace. Who though do not receive immediate punishment will after death have to give an account for those things we did in the days of our flesh!
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
And so you can not lay upon the New Covenant believers in Christ, commands clearly given to the JEWS, yet I hear you cry... “How then can you say it is wrong for a man to lay with another man since that too was part of the law?“
Why because such things are clearly abhorred by the same God who made both covenants, thus we see in both the Old and the New God hating the misuse of the body.
1 Corinthians 6:13
Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.
Further more, what was the *"shameful act"* mentioned in Romans if not same-sexual acts?
26 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 - In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed SHAMEFUL ACTS with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
There are 32,000 verses in the Bible, but only 5 of them make mention of homosexuality.
Again, it goes without saying that the holy life to which are called to can not included the miss use of the body, I could go into great detail but shall refrain, only to add...
Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
In the Bible, traditional marriage also included acts which we do not approve of today, such as polygamy.
• Again, this has nothing to do with the New Covenant Christian... but a behaviour well established even before Moses had given the first Covenant. But to Christians under the New we read...
1 Timothy 3:2
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
A tradition still embedded [for a little longer ] through our once Judaeo-Christian Western culture.
In the Book of Samuel in the Bible, two men called Jonathan and David had an official same-sex union.
• Both the Old and New testaments clearly reveal God’s distain for same-sexual acts, who said of King David...
“I HAVE FOUND DAVID the son of Jesse, A MAN AFTER MY HEART, who will do all My will.”
Yet you say that though he was married, he also added adultery to the sin of anal sex with another man!
Lets us put the record straight, there is nothing wrong with a man loving another man.. in fact it is commanded. I myself love my father, brothers and many male friends. No, what we are speaking of here is the act committed by some.
While many will wrongly assume that the Biblical story about the city, Sodom, was a result of certain immoral sexual acts, most Biblical scholars interpret the punishment of Sodom's inhabitants as a result of treating the visitors to their town disrespectfully and violently.
• Jude touches on that very event, stating that...
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these *indulged in gross immorality* and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. [As will happen to this age]
What was this ‘strange flesh’” and why did they go after it?
The “Just as” relates to verse six, which touches on the events that took place just before the Flood recorded in Genesis 6, where angels took human women for sex resulting in God destroying the Earth.
In Sodom men unwittingly thought to have sex with angels ‘Strange Flesh’’... why? because they thought they were men, clearly revealing just what their abominable acts were!
4 - Before they went to bed, the towns-MEN of Sodom, both young and old—all the people to the last MAN—surrounded the house.
5 - They called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the MEN who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sexual relations with them.”
Clearly then the Abominable Acts of Sodom included Sodomy, which had spread throughout all of its society, be they rich, poor, young and old...
49 - Now look at the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in prosperity. They did not give any help to the poor and needy.
50 - Instead, they became arrogant and *committed abominations* before me; then, as you have seen, I removed them.
Jesus did not condemn gay people or homosexuality in the Bible.
• Just as He didn't condemn the women caught in the very act of adultery, who did not say to her “Go enjoy your extramarital adventures”, but rather His last words to her were...
She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go [and] from now on, [go and] sin no more.”
There is no difference before God, if a man gives himself over to any type of sexual immorality, they shall not see life but the wrath of God will be upon them forever. But God calls all of us to holiness, straight, gay or whatever... making a way for us through His Son who gives us for the first time, the power to live a new life if we will but trust in Him.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 - Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
10 - nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 - That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
I fall fall, I stumble but lifting my head and seeing Jesus my righteousness upon a Cross I stand-up again. And taking-up my burden follow him. But there are today ungodly men who chose rather to justify their sin gather others to themselves that for a little longer they do not ‘feel’ condemned, get shortly shall have to shane before a holy and righteous God with NO MEDIATOR between them and God.