Below ‘is part’ of a discussion I had with a Muslim who stated that Muslims and Christians serve the same G/god, a statement to which I fervently disagree.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT?
The Old Testament tells of the creation of man, his fall and God’s plan to redeem us from the power of Satan by sending us a saviour, even the Messiah His Son to become a man and pay for sin, as well as tell us the very day He should appear…
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
When He should die…
And after threescore and two weeks [483 yrs] shall Messiah be cut off, [crucified] but not for himself: [for our sins] and the people [Romans] of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city [Jerusalem in 70AD] and the sanctuary; [The Temple] and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. [crucifixion]
And even why…
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
ABRAHAM’S TWO SONS.
As regards to Ishmael… God makes it very clear that the the Abrahamic promises would come through the line of Isaac born of Sarah and not Ishmael of Hagar…
Ishmael and Hagar where sent away because Ishmael was born of works but Isaac of a promise which required faith.
For having been promised a son through Sarah…
And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him [Abraham], saying, This Eliezer [his servant] shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
And as Sarah was Abraham’s only wife at that time, the phrase ‘his bowels’ represented Sarah’s Womb and not Hagar’s, Sarah and Abraham having been made one body through marriage…
23 - And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Confirmed when God said to Abraham…
And I will bless her [Sarah], and give thee a son [Isaac] also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
So the Son of Promise would come through Sarah which took faith, but when God delayed giving them the son of promise they concocted a plan to bring him forth through works born of unbelief... when Sarah gave Abraham her handmaid Hagar, who bore him a son through works and not by faith.
1 - Now Sarai [Sarah] Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 - And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid [Hagar],; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
This is why Ishmael and his mother Hagar were cast out, because he was the son of their works and not of faith as was Isaac who God had promised. That is why God said later to Abraham when He tested him…
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
And why it is written…
17 - By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 - of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: [Not Ishmael]
And this is why Christians have become the children of Abraham being children of faith, we having been born-again of promise through faith in God’s Word… even Christ Jesus who came through the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bypassing Ishmael completely he not being born of faith in God’s promise but rather of the works of men.
6 - Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 - neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 - That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 - For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
To believe in a promise given of God not yet fulfilled… takes The Faith of Abraham which Christians have.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Muslims are the children of the works of Abraham, even Ishmael, while Christians are the children of the faith of Abraham revealed in Isaac.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just [righteous] shall live by his faith.
THE MUSLIM GOD IS NOT THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
XXXX, your god has no son and your Jesus is not your god’s son. My God has a Son and His name is Jesus. Therefore, the god of the Quran and the God of the the Bible are not the same G/gods nor is the Jesus of the Quran the same Jesus as the Jesus of the Bible… they can’t be!
Your Quran preaches a false Jesus and a false god… we do not serve the same G/god… fact.
Many Muslims are taught that Christians believe Jesus came into existence when God had sex with Mary WHICH WE DO NOT BELIEVE.
We believe Good’s Son the Word existed with God at the beginning…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And to pay for the sins of men God the Word became flesh, and walked among us who we know as Jesus.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
For the purpose of saving us, God created a body in the womb of Mary for His Son to enter… so that having reach adulthood He could offer Himself as a sacrifice for sin…
Wherefore when he [Jesus the Word] cometh into the world, he saith, [Animal] Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body [of a male] hast thou prepared me: [in the womb of Mary.]
This is why John the Baptist said when seeing Jesus…
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
And God didn’t have sex with Mary as some like to say Christians believe, but God the Holy Ghost covered her…
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing [Jesus] which shall be born of thee shall be called THE SON OD GOD.
So, God the Word became a man in the person of Jesus, to fulfill the words of Isaiah the Prophet…
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Quoted by Matthew and interpreted once the prophecy had been fulfilled…
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.
XXXX, these things were penned and fulfilled long before Mohammed came on the scene… who hearing of when meeting Jews and Christians on their caravan routs picked-up upon and took for his own, perverting the message to validate his own ‘Political Religious System’ called “Islam” which is a false antichrist religion that opposes the Gospel of Jesus Christ witnessed by the Law and the Prophets.
We do not serve the same God, we can’t as your god has no son but ours does, even Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Word who became flesh.