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Why can’t God simply forgive Sin?

Muslims, simply can not understand why a righteous God must punish all sin.

Why can’t God simply forgive your sins?
Why does God have to kill someone [His Son] on the Cross for our sins?
Because He is Righteous.

If Muslims accept the Book of Genesis then they know that sin is breaking God’s commandments, and the only penalty declared for sin is death, nothing more and nothing less.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the commandment.

And because every adult who has attained a knowledge of what is good and what is evil has at some point chosen the evil rather than the good, then all have sinned and are without excuse...

Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

...and as we know...

Romans 6:23
The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

...and of course after death comes ‘The Judgement’.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Who being found guilty shall be sentenced to a place in Hell worthy of their sins committed in life.

Now God saw that everyone had sinned, and if He was to retain His right standing He understood He must judge and sentenced everyone according to their deeds. For indeed, if a judge on earth wishes to retain his right standing he must sentence his own son if being found guilty, he is brought before him, for if he should show mercy to the guilty how can he any longer be called “righteous?” How much more then, must a righteous God condemn sinners?

However...

John 3:16
God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But what does this mean? I mean, it ‘sounds nice’ doesn’t it? and loads of Christians keep saying it but what does it mean and how does it save and allow a righteous God to show mercy to us sinners?

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

To save mankind God asked ‘God the Word’ to become a man, that having fulfilled the whole of the Law without sinning He might thereafter offer His innocent life as an offering for the sins of others. Even those who having sinned were doomed to a certain condemnation, yet believing in His sacrifice had The Faith of Abraham.

So first God made ‘God the Word’ a body of a male in the womb of Mary...

Hebrews 10:4-7
4 - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [Only the death of a man atones for the sins of men]
7 - Then said I, Lo, I [The Word] come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

And not via a sexual act as some are taught, but when the Holy Ghost covered Mary....

Matthew 1:20
But while he [Joseph] thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

And so the Word became flesh, or better... a human sacrifice to redeem sinners.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Who though a man was still God....

Philippians 2:5-8
5 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

This is what the prophet Isaiah alluded to when speaking of a short-term prophecy of his day, which pointed to its ultimate fulfilment far in his future when he said...

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew expounding the meaning of His name...

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

And so the child grew and having fulfilled all of the Law without sin, entered His ministry to fulfil all that was written of Him in the Law and the Prophets, thereafter presenting Himself to the Jews as they King on the very day foretold by the prophet Daniel...

Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

But they refused Him on that day, so He said to them...

Luke 19:41-44
41 - And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 - Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 - For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies [Rome] shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 - And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

And indeed they did all to Him that was written, and therefore all that He had declared to them that day came upon that generation when Titus the Roman encircled the city, destroyed it and their Temple and scattered them among the nations to fulfill the curse of the covenant they had entered into. [Lev 26:31-33].

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off [Killed], but not for himself: [but for our sins] and the people of the prince [Titus the Roman] that shall come shall destroy the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary; [The Temple] and the end thereof shall be with a flood [War], and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

So how does Jesus’ death save those who trust in Him from a just condemnation?

Jesus died on the Cross fulfilling the prophecies...

John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Then we are told that while Jesus’ body lay in the tomb his Soul descended into Hades and not Hell as many teach for indeed how can anyone be sentenced to Hell before standing at a judgement that is yet future? Therefore there needs to be a place to detain guilty souls until the day they are resurrected for judgement, and that place is called ‘Hades’.

Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [Greek : hades] neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One[’s body] to see corruption. [As it lays in the tomb]

And here comes the victory because the authority that Satan once exercised, which had detained every soul in Hades [For all had sinned] in a state of death [a soul without a body], to await a certain sentencing in Hell at the Judgement... is called ‘The Law of Sin and Death’.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Yet Hades had no legal right to detain the innocent but the guilty only, therefore the Father raised Him from the dead by His Spirit to eternal life. And not only so, but kept His promise to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all those Old Testament saints whom having sinned in life trusted in His coming payment for sins. And He did not fail them for having paid for sin Jesus entered Hades through the medium of death, and took Paradise with Him when He rose in which rested all of those faithful souls that waited for Him in Paradise [then in Hades] to fulfil His promise...

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Paul confirms that Paradise is now in the Third Heaven, in which the righteous rest waiting for the great day of their resurrection unto eternal life.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4
2 - I knew a man [he is talking of himself] in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 - And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 - How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Even the souls of all of those who died trusting in Him and Jesus’ work of redemption upon a Cross, who God shall resurrect at the Second Coming of Christ to fulfil all the promises to the Fathers...

Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

And we too if we continue to believe...

Romans 8:11 [1 Jn 4:4]
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Because this is “THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM”, that God is not only able but willing to raise the dead to keep His promises to us sinners. Now if He did not spare His Son to keep His promises to Abraham, then we who have the faith of Abraham have a sure and unmovable hope that we shall also be raised with righteous Abraham.

Isaiah 53:4-6
4 - Surely he [Jesus] hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 - But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 - All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

For today so long after the Cross, it is Jesus who has the authority of Hades and not Satan, who He defeated at the Cross when He took all of our sins away, for indeed who can lay any accusation against those Christ died for? [Romans 8:33-34]

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Now if a man accepts Jesus’ payment for sin, he being justified shall be resurrected to eternal life, Hades having no legal claim on his soul. But if having rejected Christ free gift, then being guilty Hades shall make its claim on him and his soul shall be held in that place until the second resurrection to judgement, where shall be determined his place in Hell according to his sin.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

I’ve only scratched the surface but ask any Muslim who has read this far to share with me their sure hope if they have one, for I know of no other.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 - And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:





Muslim Salvation.

Today, Wednesday the 3rd of May a Muslim finally answered my request to share with me their salvation message which went like this...

As a Muslim, I do not know my final destination. That knowledge is with God alone. The only way I’ll get into heaven is through the mercy of God, no matter how little or how many good deeds I do.

And that was it, to which I replied...

Hi XXXX, I don’t really think I have any more I can add.

Only that it staggers me that you follow an ideology that has no sure hope of salvation, how can you go on? I’ve asked loads of Muslims to share their salvation message with me and couldn’t really understand why none of them would until you made it very clear... that they haven’t got one.

No wonder some convicted of sins they are unable to atone for take desperate measures in the forlorn hope of pleasing a god, who might or might not forgive them based on... who knows what!

If this is true then you have nothing to offer anyone, especially Christians who have been saved through a salvation message preached throughout the Law and the Prophets and fulfilled by Jesus, the Son of God.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 - And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

To which he replied...

Karl Munford the salvation message is clear: believe, do good works, be patient, enjoin good deeds, help the needy, be a good human and follow the commands of God. And through Gods mercy, you’ll be admitted into paradise.

To which I have replied...

Then a Work’s based salvation which is dependent on you making atonement for your sins through ‘good works’, but tell me XXXX, how many ‘good deeds’ will it take for you to tip the balances in your favour for past sins? And more, what about the sins you will knowingly commit in the future when you knowing the good you should do, willingly choose to do the evil that you should not?

Maybe a great pilgrimage to Mecca or few weeks of feeding the poor, prayer, fasting and the wearing of a flowing white robe will deceive you into believing that you have done enough to appease a righteous god... but are you sure XXX?
Certainly not, therefore comes a fear that shall drive you to be even more committed to your works-based religion, with yet others committing desperate acts in the forlorn hope that just maybe they can appease a righteous god for committing besetting sins that try as they might, they just can’t overcome.

At the length, this is the very same works based salvation taught by Hollywood as well as the Pagans which states that “fallen men can appease a Holy God for sins” but what do the scriptures say?

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses [Good Works] are as filthy rags.

So the Scriptures state that good works are an affront to a Holy God when offered as an atonement for sin as were Cain’s, while Able’s were accepted being offered in faith as a representation of the atoning sacrifice God would provide in His Son, when Jesus foretold by the Law and the Prophets would offer Himself as an atoning sacrifice for sin.

Genesis 4:3-5
3 - And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground [good works] an offering unto the Lord.
4 - And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof [blood sacrifice]. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 - But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Oh, but now as Cain, you are offended that your good works have been rejected while my faith in Christ’s atoning sacrifice has made me, a sinner, right in the eyes of a holy God. If you understood these things you would understand what God means when He said...

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

And his response was...

I'm not interested in discussing theology as I've stated. I've told you we don't believe in works based salvation. Good works are simply a reflection of the faith in ones heart. No amount of work can repay the debt we owe God. It's God's forgiveness and mercy that matters in the end, that's all.

To which I replied...

We are hardly debating theology but sharing our differing messages of salvation, which Christians are mandated to share.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

If ‘faith’ is such an important part of Islam’s salvation message I’m surprised you didn’t include it in your previous response, in which you expressed how Muslims are saved. But since you now mention it, may I ask ‘faith in what?’

The Christian has faith in the redeeming work of Christ crucified, spoken of by the Law and the prophets and fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth on the day prophesied by Daniel, even on Passover when the angel of Death had Passed-over those Israelites in Egypt, who through faith in God’s promised future payment for sin, trusted in the blood of the sacrificial lamb dabbed on their doorposts.

Exodus 12:6-7
6 - And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it [the Passover Lamb] in the evening.
7 - And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

Christians also trust in the blood of Christ our Passover Lamb, as did the Israelites when they came out of Egypt, which is a ‘type’ of us being translated from of the Kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of God’s Son.

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Therefore we have The Faith of Abraham who did not hesitate to offer up his Son Isaac, through whom he was to receive the promises reasoning within himself that since God was faithful He would have to raise the dead to keep His promises!

Hebrews 11:17-19
17 - By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 - Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 - Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Likewise we who have The Faith of Abraham believe that God will raise us up from the dead to keep His promises, even life eternal and joy forevermore.

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

What then is this faith you mention in Islam based on? For indeed it must have a foundation else it is bankrupt of any meaning. For ‘blind faith’ is the fools stay which having no foundation will fall on the day it is tested but faith in Christ’s payment for sin that no man can add to... is the foundation upon which Christians work.

1 Corinthians 3:11-13
11 - For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [Crucified]
12 - Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [Our Works]
13 - Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

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Acts 9:5
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

And his response...

Ok we can end the discussion here. Each reply you’ve provided has steadily increased in Biblical verses and you preaching your belief about salvation, which isn’t a discussion I’m interested in having. Thank you for your time.

To which I replied...

Thank you for taking the time. My hope is that through our conversation you might understand that Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of a salvation revealed by The Law and the Prophets, by which a Holy and righteous God having retained His right standing was able to show mercy to sinful men. For indeed, only Jesus remained righteous having never sinned, therefore could without any contradiction to the Law offer Himself as an atoning sacrifice for the sins of many.

Isaiah 53:10a
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin...

And Mohammed who came some six hundred years after Christ has no part in this salvation revealed by The Law and the Prophets and so was rejected, they knowing as we that there are no prophets of that line after Messiah [Christ] comes...

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

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